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	<title>Comments on: In Which I Refute That Richard Russo Is &#8220;A Misogynist&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Dawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Topics of misogynist male authors are always interesting ones to me. I haven&#039;t read Russo (beginning to think I should) but this blog post sent me off on a parelell tangent of thought- There seems a fascinating trend in &quot;Gender Studies&quot;, literary or otherwise: They are dominated by women. Where women decry the abuse of their images as portrayed in shows such as &quot;Everybody Loves Raymond&quot; (as in Yabroff&#039;s &quot;“Smart, competent, emotionally mature but still fabulous-looking women act as foils for immature, self-deluded schmucks, then roll their eyes and sigh good-naturedly as they wait for their lesser halves to get with the program.”&quot;) there is no similar outcry from male circles (or female, for that matter) of the abuse of the male image as being inherently immature, stupid, callous, slovenly, and slow-witted. 

It is sexist to say that women are family oriented- it is not to say that men are NOT family oriented. It is sexist to say that women should know how to cook- it is NOT to say that men don&#039;t know how to cook. It&#039;s a fascinating double standard.

Me, I think it&#039;s just that men haven&#039;t had their movement yet. Maybe one day that will come. Perhaps all the well pressed, articulate, intelligent, caring men in the world will one day step forward and take their power. Regardless, I&#039;ll end my parallel tangent here and extend my gratitude for well-written, enjoyable blogs that encourage me try to stretch my mind around difficult topics and express them on the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Topics of misogynist male authors are always interesting ones to me. I haven&#8217;t read Russo (beginning to think I should) but this blog post sent me off on a parelell tangent of thought- There seems a fascinating trend in &#8220;Gender Studies&#8221;, literary or otherwise: They are dominated by women. Where women decry the abuse of their images as portrayed in shows such as &#8220;Everybody Loves Raymond&#8221; (as in Yabroff&#8217;s &#8220;“Smart, competent, emotionally mature but still fabulous-looking women act as foils for immature, self-deluded schmucks, then roll their eyes and sigh good-naturedly as they wait for their lesser halves to get with the program.”&#8221;) there is no similar outcry from male circles (or female, for that matter) of the abuse of the male image as being inherently immature, stupid, callous, slovenly, and slow-witted. </p>
<p>It is sexist to say that women are family oriented- it is not to say that men are NOT family oriented. It is sexist to say that women should know how to cook- it is NOT to say that men don&#8217;t know how to cook. It&#8217;s a fascinating double standard.</p>
<p>Me, I think it&#8217;s just that men haven&#8217;t had their movement yet. Maybe one day that will come. Perhaps all the well pressed, articulate, intelligent, caring men in the world will one day step forward and take their power. Regardless, I&#8217;ll end my parallel tangent here and extend my gratitude for well-written, enjoyable blogs that encourage me try to stretch my mind around difficult topics and express them on the page.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikole Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikole Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant in the second paragraph, &quot;In a few recent stories...,&quot; I meant a few of my recent stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant in the second paragraph, &#8220;In a few recent stories&#8230;,&#8221; I meant a few of my recent stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikole Hahn</title>
		<link>http://bookmavenmedia.com/2009/08/06/in-which-i-refute-a-that-richard-russo-is-a-misogynist/comment-page-1/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikole Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay...have to admit.  This blog scared me as a writer.  It&#039;s like going to the spa to have a microdermabrasion done and looking up at a television screen to see what your skin looks like close up under a magnifying glass--truly terrifying.  

From the perspective of a writer, we all put bits and pieces of our lives and who we meet in our novels.  Look at Jane Austen and Pride and Predjudice--you can see with her life story the simularities.  In a few recent stories, mothers were portrayed as bad all the time.  In the midst of writing one story, I changed the mother&#039;s personality.  I made her flawed and lovable.  I don&#039;t believe you can judge an author totally by their books as it only gives a shattered picture of the personality behind the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230;have to admit.  This blog scared me as a writer.  It&#8217;s like going to the spa to have a microdermabrasion done and looking up at a television screen to see what your skin looks like close up under a magnifying glass&#8211;truly terrifying.  </p>
<p>From the perspective of a writer, we all put bits and pieces of our lives and who we meet in our novels.  Look at Jane Austen and Pride and Predjudice&#8211;you can see with her life story the simularities.  In a few recent stories, mothers were portrayed as bad all the time.  In the midst of writing one story, I changed the mother&#8217;s personality.  I made her flawed and lovable.  I don&#8217;t believe you can judge an author totally by their books as it only gives a shattered picture of the personality behind the book.</p>
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		<title>By: blognerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>blognerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.  As I am a PhD candidate writing a dissertation in dramatic literature, I am so all over your assessment of how we define scholarship currently.  

The thing is--there IS a service provided in that approach but the approach is so DOMINATING as to be suffocating.  And we&#039;ve all learned how to take art a part so well, we&#039;ve lost the ability to APPRECIATE it, or to value appreciation as a scholarly mode.  

EXCELLENT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  As I am a PhD candidate writing a dissertation in dramatic literature, I am so all over your assessment of how we define scholarship currently.  </p>
<p>The thing is&#8211;there IS a service provided in that approach but the approach is so DOMINATING as to be suffocating.  And we&#8217;ve all learned how to take art a part so well, we&#8217;ve lost the ability to APPRECIATE it, or to value appreciation as a scholarly mode.  </p>
<p>EXCELLENT.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like I need to go read Russo now just so I can form an opinion. It&#039;s funny, I am actually on a similar journey (I may never have the answer) to defend Hemingway. I don&#039;t think that any particular male or female intends to outright lash out at &quot;the other&quot; although, I&#039;m sure some certainly do and of course, when hunting, critics can find anything, intended or not.
 
What I have found, so far, is that no writer is safe from portraying women in a negative light. There are several &quot;woman&quot; paper doll templates to chose from regardless of the story line. Either they are smart women not living up to their potential, either in a dead end relationship or a dead end job or they are cookie cutter beauties without a brain cell or the god awful scenario, the riot-torch wielding feminist who is successful but would be so much &quot;happier&quot; if she&#039;d just have a cocktail and let her hair down. I don&#039;t think this is a fault, so much as a habit. If we were so hard on the characterization of men, we&#039;d find some pretty unflattering molds by male and female writers.

Speaking of female writers, I think, the way in which  Hemingway and others blamed woman haters characterizes their lady subjects can often be more feminist leaning than the myriad chick-lit novels which put women in a box from a woman&#039;s POV. Of course, again, I think this is the art of writing. Writers, regardless of what is between their legs, tend to write what they see from their own experience fogged goggles. That is not to say that it&#039;s true but not to say that it&#039;s wholeheartedly wrong on a page, either. 
This is a fun topic that I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever be done with.  Thanks for the thoughtful post. Off to read some Russo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I need to go read Russo now just so I can form an opinion. It&#8217;s funny, I am actually on a similar journey (I may never have the answer) to defend Hemingway. I don&#8217;t think that any particular male or female intends to outright lash out at &#8220;the other&#8221; although, I&#8217;m sure some certainly do and of course, when hunting, critics can find anything, intended or not.</p>
<p>What I have found, so far, is that no writer is safe from portraying women in a negative light. There are several &#8220;woman&#8221; paper doll templates to chose from regardless of the story line. Either they are smart women not living up to their potential, either in a dead end relationship or a dead end job or they are cookie cutter beauties without a brain cell or the god awful scenario, the riot-torch wielding feminist who is successful but would be so much &#8220;happier&#8221; if she&#8217;d just have a cocktail and let her hair down. I don&#8217;t think this is a fault, so much as a habit. If we were so hard on the characterization of men, we&#8217;d find some pretty unflattering molds by male and female writers.</p>
<p>Speaking of female writers, I think, the way in which  Hemingway and others blamed woman haters characterizes their lady subjects can often be more feminist leaning than the myriad chick-lit novels which put women in a box from a woman&#8217;s POV. Of course, again, I think this is the art of writing. Writers, regardless of what is between their legs, tend to write what they see from their own experience fogged goggles. That is not to say that it&#8217;s true but not to say that it&#8217;s wholeheartedly wrong on a page, either.<br />
This is a fun topic that I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever be done with.  Thanks for the thoughtful post. Off to read some Russo!</p>
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		<title>By: Stace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just gone back to The Academy to start on my long-postponed Master&#039;s degree, I&#039;ve just been introduced to the wide world of literary theory, and frankly, I&#039;m not impressed.  The most important tidbit I have gleaned is that the reviewer often has a stronger bias than they accuse the author of spouting, and this is an obvious case.  Ms. Yabroff obviously found what she went looking for, and nothing more.

It&#039;s fine to have opinions, strong opinions, and to publish them, however I believe we have a responsibility to fairness when it comes to making sweeping judgments about an author&#039;s personality and character.  Yes, it is revealed in their writings, but we have an obligation to look for, note and publish both sides of the issue.  Readers are intelligent people.  They can figure out the truth without being beaten over the head with the reviewer&#039;s opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just gone back to The Academy to start on my long-postponed Master&#8217;s degree, I&#8217;ve just been introduced to the wide world of literary theory, and frankly, I&#8217;m not impressed.  The most important tidbit I have gleaned is that the reviewer often has a stronger bias than they accuse the author of spouting, and this is an obvious case.  Ms. Yabroff obviously found what she went looking for, and nothing more.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fine to have opinions, strong opinions, and to publish them, however I believe we have a responsibility to fairness when it comes to making sweeping judgments about an author&#8217;s personality and character.  Yes, it is revealed in their writings, but we have an obligation to look for, note and publish both sides of the issue.  Readers are intelligent people.  They can figure out the truth without being beaten over the head with the reviewer&#8217;s opinions.</p>
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